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DC canceling more titles

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:49 pm
by fudd71
Looks like DC is canceling 4 more titles as they are solicited as final issues

Personally I'm really going to miss Dial H, I know it wasn't that popular but I enjoyed it quite a lot and thought it was an excellent series.

http://www.newsarama.com/17794-dc-comic ... tions.html
DEMON KNIGHTS #23
Written by ROBERT VENDITTI
Art by CHAD HARDIN and WAYNE FAUCHER
Cover by HOWARD PORTER
On sale AUGUST 14 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T • FINAL ISSUE
DIAL H #15
Written by CHINA MIEVILLE
Art by ALBERTO PONTICELLI and DAN GREEN
Cover by BRIAN BOLLAND
On sale AUGUST 7 • 48 pg, FC, $4.99 US • RATED T+ • FINAL ISSUE
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #23
Written by PAUL LEVITZ
Art and cover by KEVIN MAGUIRE
On sale AUGUST 21 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T • FINAL ISSUE
THRESHOLD #8
Written by KEITH GIFFEN
Art by TOM RANEY and PHIL WINSLADE
Backup story art by TIMOTHY GREEN II and JOSEPH SILVER
Cover by HOWARD PORTER
On sale AUGUST 14 • 40 pg, FC, $3.99 US • RATED T • FINAL ISSUE

Re: DC canceling more titles

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:53 pm
by Mavey
Batwing survives to fight another month! Long live Batwing! (I've stopped reading Batwing)

Re: DC canceling more titles

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 5:40 pm
by JohnMayo
Not only did Batwing get a chance to see if the new direction will work but so is Stormwatch. Both of those titles sold less than Legion of Super-Heroes in April.

This leaves 60% of the original New 52 titles still standing.

Other titles in the danger zone are Katana, All Star Western, Justice League of Americas Vibe and Phantom Stranger. I would be a little surprised if any of those have final issues in the next solicitation round given how new Katana and Justice League of Americas Vibe are and how Phantom Stranger ties into the Trinity War. Of course, I'd also be surprised if Phantom Stranger last past Trinity War.

If nothing else, we should see four new titles in the next round of solicitations.

Re: DC canceling more titles

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 5:58 pm
by fudd71
JohnMayo wrote: Other titles in the danger zone are Katana, All Star Western, Justice League of Americas Vibe and Phantom Stranger. I would be a little surprised if any of those have final issues in the next solicitation round given how new Katana and Justice League of Americas Vibe are and how Phantom Stranger ties into the Trinity War. Of course, I'd also be surprised if Phantom Stranger last past Trinity War.
While I agree that Katana and Vibe are too new to be cancelled, DCs past behavior doesn't seem to support this. The next solicitations for those two titles would be #8 issues. The first round of cancellations were all at issue #8, Threshold #8 is solicited as a Final Issue this time, and GI Combat,Team 7 and Sword of Sorcery never even it made it to issue #8.

Re: DC canceling more titles

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 6:40 pm
by JohnMayo
fudd71 wrote:While I agree that Katana and Vibe are too new to be cancelled, DCs past behavior doesn't seem to support this. The next solicitations for those two titles would be #8 issues. The first round of cancellations were all at issue #8, Threshold #8 is solicited as a Final Issue this time, and GI Combat,Team 7 and Sword of Sorcery never even it made it to issue #8.
Good point. I was thinking that based on the issue number of what was released, not what has been solicited. In light of your correction (and thanks for that), both are likely to end whenever the current storyline ends which could be as soon as the following issue.

I hope DC have a bunch of titles ready to be launched.

Re: DC canceling more titles

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 8:25 pm
by Gilgabob
I was reading Demon Knights in trade and was enjoying it. I had a feeling the ax was coming but I will miss it.

Re: DC canceling more titles

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 8:27 pm
by Mavey
JohnMayo wrote:If nothing else, we should see four new titles in the next round of solicitations.
Don't forget that the Batman Inc. ongoing is ending with issue 13. No new ongoing was solicited this month since there will be the Batman Inc. Special #1, but a fifth new title seems needed to take its place. (Why it is a "Special" instead of an "Annual" I don't know.)

Also, this month 6 titles end: Deathstroke, Hawkman, Firestorm, Ravagers, Team7, and Sword of Sorcery.

With only 4 titles to replace them in June: Batman/Superman, Superman Unchained, Pandora, and Larfleeze.

If September this year has villain based one-shot titles, similar to zero month last year, then it might not be until October that DC gets back to 52 ongoing titles.

Re: DC canceling more titles

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:03 am
by BobBretall
Gilgabob wrote:I was reading Demon Knights in trade and was enjoying it. I had a feeling the ax was coming but I will miss it.
And so falls another of the titles from my ever-shrinking DC list :cry:

Re: DC canceling more titles

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 8:57 am
by ctowner1
So over 1.5 years in, how many of the original 52 are left? How many still have the same Writer/Artist teams? AFAIK Batman and Batman & Robin. Others?

Also wondering how many from the nu52 that were NOT part of the pre-nu52 universe are still around?

Is this list right?

HERE:
1. ACTION COMICS: Grant Morrison & Rags Morales
2. ALL-STAR WESTERN #1 Writers: Justin Gray, Jimmy Palmiotti Artist: Moritat
3. ANIMAL MAN #1 Writer: Jeff Lemire Artists: Travel Foreman, Dan Green
4. AQUAMAN #1 Writer: Geoff Johns Artist: Ivan Reis
5. BATGIRL #1 Writer: Gail Simone Artists: Ardian Syaf, Vicente Cifuentes
6. BATMAN #1 Writer: Scott Snyder Artist: Greg Capullo
7. BATMAN AND ROBIN #1 Writer: Peter Tomasi Artist: Pat Gleason
8. BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT #1 Writer/Artist: David Finch
9. BATWING #1 Writer: Judd Winick Artist: Ben Oliver
10. BATWOMAN #1 Writer: J.H.Williams III/Haden Blackman,Artist:J.H.WIII/Amy Reeder
11. BIRDS OF PREY #1 Writer: Duane Swierczynski Artist: Jesus Saiz
12. CATWOMAN #1 Writer: Judd Winick Artist: Guillem March
13. DETECTIVE COMICS #1 Writer/Artist: Tony Daniel
14. FLASH #1 Writers: FrManapul, Brian Buccellato Artist: Brian Buccellato
15. GREEN ARROW #1 Writer: JT Krul Artist: Dan Jurgens
16. GREEN LANTERN #1 Writer: GeoJohns Artists: Doug Mahnke, Christian Alamy
17. GREEN LANTERN CORPS #1 Writer: PTomasi Artists: F Pasarin, Scott Hanna
18. GREEN LANTERN: NEW GUARDIANS #1 Writer: TBedard Artist: Ty Kirkham
19. JUSTICE LEAGUE #1 Writer: Geoff Johns Artist: Jim Lee
20. JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK #1 Writer: Peter Milligan Artist: Mikel Janin
21. NIGHTWING #1 Writer: Kyle Higgins Artist: Eddy Barrows
22. RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS #1 Writer: SLobdell Artist: Kenneth Rocafort
23. RED LANTERNS #1 Writer: Peter Milligan Artists: Ed Benes, Rob Hunter
24. SAVAGE HAWKMAN #1 Writer: Tony Daniel Artist: Philip Tan
25. STORMWATCH #1 Writer: Paul Cornell Artist: Miguel Sepulveda
26. SUICIDE SQUAD: Adam Glass & Marco Rudy
27. SUPERBOY: Scott Lobdell with art by R.B. Silva and Rob Lean
28. SUPERGIRL: Writers Michael Green and Mike Johnson & artist Mahmud Asrar
29. SUPERMAN: written by George Perez with art by Jesus Merino
30. SWAMP THING #1 Writer: Scott Snyder Artist: Yannick Paquette
31. TEEN TITANS #1 Writer: Scott Lobdell Artists: Brett Booth, Norm Rapmund
32. WONDER WOMAN #1 Writer: Brian Azzarello Artist: Cliff Chiang

GONE:
1. BLACKHAWKS #1 Writer: Mike Costa Artist: Ken Lashley
2. BLUE BEETLE: Writer: Tony Bedard and Art by Ig Guara & Ruy Jose
3. CAPTAIN ATOM #1 Writer: JT Krul Artist: Freddie Williams
4. DC UNIVERSE PRESENTS #1 Writer: Paul Jenkins Artist: Bernard Chang
5. DEATHSTROKE #1 Writer: Kyle Higgins Artists: Joe Bennett, Art Thibert
6. DEMON KNIGHTS #1 Writer: Paul Cornell Artists: Diogenes Neves, Oclair Albert
7. FURY OF FIRESTORM #1 Writers: EVSciver, GSimone Artist: Yildiray Cinar
8. FRANKENSTEIN, AGENT OF SHADE #1 Writer: JLemire Artist: Alb Ponticelli
9. GRIFTER #1 Writer: Nathan Edmondson Artist: CAFU, BIT
10. HAWK AND DOVE #1 Writer: Sterling Gates Artist: Rob Liefeld
11. I VAMPIRE #1 Writer: Josh Fialkov Artist: Andrea Sorrentino
12. JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL #1 Writer: DJurgens Artist: Aaron Lopresti
13. LEGION LOST #1 Writer: Fabian Nicieza Artist: Pete Woods
14. LEGION OF SUPERHEROES #1 Writer: Paul Levitz Artist: Francis Portela
15. MISTER TERRIFIC #1 Writer: Eric Wallace Artist: Roger Robinson
16. OMAC #1 Writer: Dan DiDio, Keith Giffen Artists: Keith Giffen, Scott Koblish
17. RESURRECTION MAN #1 Writers: Abnett/Lanning Artist: Fernando Dagnino
18. SGT. ROCK AND MEN OF WAR #1 Writer: Ivan Brandon Artist: Tom Derenick
19. STATIC SHOCK #1 W: Jn Rozum, SMcDaniel A: SMcDaniel, Jonathan Glapion
20. VOODOO #1 Writer: Ron Marz Artist: Sami Basri

Re: DC canceling more titles

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 9:17 am
by JohnMayo
One quick correction:
24. SAVAGE HAWKMAN #1 Writer: Tony Daniel Artist: Philip Tan
This one is ending with #20



Of the surviving ones, some have had or are about to have major retoolings:
7. BATMAN AND ROBIN #1 Writer: Peter Tomasi Artist: Pat Gleason
Change in title and characters involved.
9. BATWING #1 Writer: Judd Winick Artist: Ben Oliver
Major change in direction with #20
15. GREEN ARROW #1 Writer: JT Krul Artist: Dan Jurgens
Major shift in tone/direction with #17 (or was it #18?)
16. GREEN LANTERN #1 Writer: GeoJohns Artists: Doug Mahnke, Christian Alamy
About to have a new creative team and possible shift in direction

17. GREEN LANTERN CORPS #1 Writer: PTomasi Artists: F Pasarin, Scott Hanna
About to have a new creative team and possible shift in direction
18. GREEN LANTERN: NEW GUARDIANS #1 Writer: TBedard Artist: Ty Kirkham
About to have a new creative team and possible shift in direction
23. RED LANTERNS #1 Writer: Peter Milligan Artists: Ed Benes, Rob Hunter
About to have a new creative team and possible shift in direction
25. STORMWATCH #1 Writer: Paul Cornell Artist: Miguel Sepulveda
Major shift in direction with #18

Re: DC canceling more titles

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 10:16 am
by ctowner1
so of the 31 survivors, Batman has the same writer & artist, 8 are about to be retooled. How about the other 22? I know there has been changes in artists or writers on JL, JLD, Superman, Action, Animal Man, Swamp Thing - those 6. How about the other 16? Do any of them still have the same writer/artist teams?

What if you rephrased the question to just writers? Out of the 31, how many are still being written by the same writer? Batman & JL. Any others?

Also, what about my other question - how many titles did DC introduce in the nu52 that weren't in the old DCU that have survived?

addendum: And, actually, B&R isn't really a change - it's a Batman book being put out by Tomasi & Gleason - that's not changing, right? Sure the title has temporarily changed - but we all know Damian/Robin will be back soon, don't we? So Batman and B&R are really 2 books with same writer/artist/essentially the same book they were at the start of nu52. any others?

Re: DC canceling more titles

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 10:52 am
by fudd71
ctowner1 wrote:how many titles did DC introduce in the nu52 that weren't in the old DCU that have survived?

Batman and B&R are really 2 books with same writer/artist/essentially the same book they were at the start of nu52. any others?
Wonder Woman with Azzarello and Chiang still has the original team (Tony Akins has done some fill-ins but this title remains unchanged for the most part)

All-Star Western has the same writer artist team, Gray&Palmiotti with Moritat (there have been some fill-in issues but mostly Moritat on the main Hex story). This is also a title while having existed before the New 52 it had been quite a while so you could almost call in new.

Re: DC canceling more titles

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:58 pm
by fudd71
ctowner1 wrote: What if you rephrased the question to just writers? Out of the 31, how many are still being written by the same writer? Batman & JL. Any others?
As far as writers goes as you mentioned Batman, the Batman & book and Justice League, also the two from the above post Wonder Woman and All-Star Western.

The other six titles with the original writer that have not yet been announced to be changing or cancelled are:

Animal Man
Aquaman
Batgirl
Batwoman
Flash
Nightwing

So that is 11 by my count

Re: DC canceling more titles

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 1:06 pm
by ctowner1
fudd71 wrote:
ctowner1 wrote: What if you rephrased the question to just writers? Out of the 31, how many are still being written by the same writer? Batman & JL. Any others?
As far as writers goes as you mentioned Batman, the Batman & book and Justice League, also the two from the above post Wonder Woman and All-Star Western.

The other six titles with the original writer that have not yet been announced to be changing or cancelled are:

Animal Man
Aquaman
Batgirl
Batwoman
Flash
Nightwing

So that is 11 by my count
oh..I forgot about Flash. That one actually has the same writer AND artist (same guy! lol well, also same co-writer).

So 11 books with the same writer for almost 2 years - that's pretty impressive, I think. I wonder what the comparable figure is for Marvel books over the past 2 years (although perhaps would be fairer to ask this question after Marvel Now is 2 yrs old?).

Re: DC canceling more titles

Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 1:23 pm
by Perry
ctowner1 wrote: I wonder what the comparable figure is for Marvel books over the past 2 years (although perhaps would be fairer to ask this question after Marvel Now is 2 yrs old?).
If we wait the 2 years, and things continue as they seem to be going, I don't think it will be hard for Marvel to match the 11 when just three of their writers will be responsible for over half of that, with 6. You figure Hickman, Bendis and Fraction will have:
AVENGERS
NEW AVENGERS
UNCANNY X-MEN
NEW X-MEN
FF
FANTASTIC FOUR

Add in Fractions HAWKEYE, Waid's DAREDEVIL and then you only need 3 more to hit that 11.
(Of course, having it NOW and having it THEN ... are two different things :lol: )

EDIT - of course, looking over the remaining titles, and taking another years worth of time into consideration, perhaps it will not be as easy as I originally thought. I mean, sure you could probably add Waid's HULK and Bendis' GotG to titles that will probably still have the same writer at the helm ... probably, but that only gives us 10 and ... after that ... Hmmm??