1st issue Challenge

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:04 pm

Irredeemable #1 (Boom Studios) - I'll offer up a different viewpoint that what has been voiced so far. I liked this issue. It was a different take on the superman archetype (similar but slightly skewed from Omni-Man over in Invincible). What really has me excited about this one is that it looks like we're in on the ground floor to see this group of resistance-fighter super-heroes making their plans to stop the Plutonian.
I did not have the same problem as Wood, but I can see where he's coming from. This kind of thing bothered me a lot more when I had little kids and there was some more concrete emotional transference to my own kids. Now that my 2 kids are both taller than me, I've kind of gotten over it. Standard shorthand to show what a (bleep) the bad guy is. Overall I'm really looking forward to where Waid is going with this series.

jlshank007 · Post by **jlshank007** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:16 am

Irredeemable #1 (Boom Studios) - I enjoyed the first 6 or 7 pages of the book. I do have a young child so I wasn't a big fan of the few panels that have been mentioned before but I do understand the point they were trying to make so I was not completely turned off by that. The second part of the book I wasn't a big fan of at all. Maybe its because I am reading some Marvel Masterworks Spider-Man right now but I really feel the last 7-8 pages or so could have been 2 or 3. At $3.99 and 24 pgs (Solicitated in June) I will not be pre-ordering anymore more issues. I have issue no. 2 on order so if that makes a splash for me then I will come back but until then I will just plan on reading a friends copy and keeping my $3.99 (or $2.79 if you shop at DCBS).

Frank Castle · Post by **Frank Castle** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:32 am

Rawbone #1 - Hated it! And I am a big fan of anything Avatar but this was a pile of rubbish. The art was cool but that was it. Count me out for the rest of the series.

Irredeemable #1 - It was ok, nothing great imo. I too enjoyed the first few pages and then it lost me from there. Best part for me was the Barry Kitson cover.

Destroyer #1 - I really liked this book. Hadn't really heard much about it but decided to grab a copy off the shelf and I'm glad I did. I love Max books and this was right up my alley. Cory Walker's art might be a little too cartoony for the story but it didn't ruin the book for me.

Koete · Post by **Koete** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:45 pm

I thought Irredeemable was okay. Not great, but certainly not terrible. Also, and maybe this is because I don't have kids, I don't really understand what all the fuss over the scene with the kid is about. From reading Wood's post, I thought something sexual had been done to the child, something which would have been evil and about 6 feet over the line. IMO, what actually happened was something I could realistically see a villain doing. It was a villainous moment that worked for me and didn't register as crossing the line. Just my 2 cents of course.

jlshank007 · Post by **jlshank007** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:40 pm

Koete wrote:I could realistically see a villain doing. It was a villainous moment that worked for me and didn't register as crossing the line.

*NOTE - I am going into some minor details in the book. If you have not read it and do not wish to know anything about the specifics please do NOT read this post*

I completely agree that it was a realistic thing for a villain do. I guess I just had maybe a small issue with it actually being shown. To me the best line in the book is when he(the superhero) says "Do you know who I am Sarah? I'm a Superhero." I thought that line was great and it sent a chill down my spine. However the next panel you see the "superhero" flying out of the house. I am assuming "Sarah" was killed but it wasn't shown. Again I think it’s simply the image being put onto paper that some people might have an issue with.

I do not personally have a problem with it to the point where I would not read this book based solely on that. My reason for not continuing the book is based on just not enjoying the overall issue that much to continue to pay $3.99 for it.

I do however understand how that image might rub people the wrong way.

Again, I am just trying to explain why people may have an issue with the panel and not saying it was good or bad one way or the other.

Wood · Post by **Wood** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:40 pm

Koete wrote:I thought Irredeemable was okay. Not great, but certainly not terrible. Also, and maybe this is because I don't have kids, I don't really understand what all the fuss over the scene with the kid is about. From reading Wood's post, I thought something sexual had been done to the child, something which would have been evil and about 6 feet over the line. IMO, what actually happened was something I could realistically see a villain doing. It was a villainous moment that worked for me and didn't register as crossing the line. Just my 2 cents of course.

I'm not one usually bothered by gratuitous violence or overt sexual depictions. But I think it's a tired cliche to show how EVIL you are by harming a child [or a pet], and Waid seems to be on a quest with this book to show us how he can't be stereotyped and yet, for me, he fell into one of the easiest, lamest and uninspired ways of depicting a villain. Rule #1712 of Comic Book Writing...Killing = Evil, Killing a Child = REALLY REALLY EVIL.

The whole book read like Waid tried to channel his inner Mark Millar and Garth Ennis but just isn't comfortable doing it.

HassanT · Post by **HassanT** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:09 pm

Irredeemable #1 (Boom Studios) - Put me down as someone who thought the book was ok. Not bad but not great. The story just didn't grab me as much I wanted it to do. I felt the other super-heroes were a bit weak in the story. I think the bottom line was that I wasn't in the mood for an Evil Superman story. I already pre-ordered the 2nd issue, but I will wait until I read that to pre-order more.

I might be bias as well. I tend to stay away from super-hero books that are not by the big two these days. If I am going to read a non-DC or Marvel book, I want it to be a non-super-hero book. The only reason I picked this up was because it was Mark Waid.

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:24 pm

Wow, consensus is really coming down against Irredeemable!

5 "ok, nothing great" to my 1 "I liked it".

That does not sound like it's the makings of a hit if you guys are any kind of realistic cross-section of comics readers.

jlshank007 · Post by **jlshank007** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:48 am

To be honest I really had high hopes for this book. After listening to Mark talk about it on 15mins with Waid over at his webiste and here as well I was really looking forward to this book. I also read the preview on Newsarama and thought the first 7 pages were great.

To me the rest of the book was like going to see a comedy where I already saw all the funny moments in the trailers.

Talking to some other people who I know have read the book I kind of get the same feeling. Evil superhero = good, rest of the group = not so good.

I hope that issue #2 is alot better because I really liked the concept of the book (or atleast the way Mark Waid described it).

Frank Castle · Post by **Frank Castle** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:02 pm

Dark Reign Hawkeye #1 - I like Diggle's writing but not in this book. Nothing really grabbed me by it. I've enjoyed his Thunderbolt writing much more and this seemed like it had nothing to do with them even though it was the same characters! And the art was too 'happy' and pretty. I like my Bullseye/Hawkeye to be a little more gritty. This was bright and too pretty. A couple pages were cool but over all I didn't enjoy the book.

Deadpool Suicide Kings #1 - The book was fun. I'm enjoying Daniel Way's take on DP but Benson did well. The art was good too, kept with what Paco Medina is doing in the reg series. And it guest stars Punisher so I'll stick around.

Timestorm 2009-2099 #1 - As much fun as it was to see Jake Gallows again, I didn't enjoy this too much.

Wolverine Weapon X #1 - This was ok, not exactly what I was expecting. But I'm interested enough to follow the book. I enjoyed Aaron/Garney before on Wolverine so I have hope for the book.

jlshank007 · Post by **jlshank007** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:38 am

Flash: Rebirth #1 (DC): - For a little back story I have not read a lot of Flash over the years so I have no affiliation to Wally or Barry being "my Flash".

Saying that I was hesitant and I thought I would be lost in this mini-series. This issue caught me up to speed really well, although I am sure I am missing some things because of my lack of knowledge but I don't believe I am missing any major story plots. I really enjoyed the art and was surprised I enjoyed reading the issue so much. The cover was awesome imo. I now can't wait for issue no. 2.

Koete · Post by **Koete** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:46 am

Seaguy: The Slaves of Mickey Eye #1 (of 3) - I know this is going to surprise a lot of people, considering how much I HATE Grant Morrison's writing, but I thought this issue was ok. I wouldn't say that it was awesome or that the trilogy might make my top 5 favorite Morrison works by the time it's over, but yeah, not bad.

HassanT · Post by **HassanT** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:23 pm

Koete wrote:Seaguy: The Slaves of Mickey Eye #1 (of 3) - I know this is going to surprise a lot of people, considering how much I HATE Grant Morrison's writing, but I thought this issue was ok. I wouldn't say that it was awesome or that the trilogy might make my top 5 favorite Morrison works by the time it's over, but yeah, not bad.

I haven't read this first issue yet. I want to read the original mini again before I get into the new series.

HassanT · Post by **HassanT** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:42 pm

Wolverine: Weapon X #1 - The new Wolverine monthly book by Jason Aaron and Ron Garney. If you are a Wolverine or even a X-Men fan you should pick this book up. I like the way Jason Aaron writes Wolverine as a person and not just an one dimensional character that a lot of writers portray him as.

Electra: Dark Reign #1 - I pre-ordered the first issue before Marvel flooded the market with Dark Reign books. I was never a big fan of the Electra solo stories but thought she was a great supporting character in Daredevil and Miller's Wolverine run. I really enjoyed this issue and thought the cliffhanger at the end was good.

Hawkeye: Dark Reign #1 - I pre-ordered the first issue on the strength of the creative team, Andy Diggle and Tom Raney and not the character. I loved the art in this issue. Tom Raney has been doing some great stuff ever since he came back to Marvel. I wish Marvel would get him on a regular title. That said, I thought the "hook" at the end was a bit weak and I am not sure if I will pick up the rest of this series in the near future.

Flash: Rebirth #1 - Any book that has Geoff Johns and Ethan Van Sciver as the creative team is a must have in my book. I did think the book started out slow, but thought it was necessary to establish Barry as a 3-dimension character and not just some guy that died almost 25 years ago. Personally, I rather DC stick with Wally West as the Flash but as long as the stories are good, I will continue to buy and read.

BobBretall · Post by **BobBretall** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:29 pm

Electra: Dark Reign #1 (Marvel) - I loved this one, even at $3.99 an issue, I'll be back for the rest of the mini.

All-New Savage She-Hulk #1 (Marvel) - I found myself not caring a lot about this one, and as I was reading the issue, my mind was beginning to wander (never a good sign). It was not bad, just not something that grabbed me. I won't be back for #2.

Warlord #1 (DC) - I have a pre-disposition to like Warlord, so it should be no surprise that I loved this one. Calling back to the previous mini (with Bart Sears art) I TRIED to like that one, but couldn't. This time around, all I could think was "Warlord is back!". I hope Grell stays on writing his creation for a good long while.

Ignition City #1 (Avatar) - Really cool/different story of the genre "space travel started in the 40s", kind of like the short-lived "Ministry of Space" series. I'm really interested in seeing where Ellis goes with this one, vis-a-vis revealing more backstory as we go along.

War of Kings: Ascension #1 (Marvel) - I've never been much of a Darkhawk fan, but this issue was pretty cool. It had enough info that I was able to get in to the story even though I hadn't read most of the Darkhawk material leading up to this, and it introduced what I assume are some really cool new twists on the Darkhawk armor/powers (Nova-level cool). Looking forward to more.