Secret Empire

[tehkeizer]

Issue zero just came out. what did you guys think of it?

I have been enjoying the steve rogers lead up. it tells a new story, a lot of fun storying telling that i know wont matter 5 years from now because they're going to erase it by kobik just as they added it, but who cares as long as the stories are good? its like a long form "what if".

this zero issue to me is everything that a zero issues should be. it sets the stage. it tells you the players and what they've been up to (even if you're not reading their books).

I think this can be a fun "event" (heads up, i like events. they're fun to me). what do you guys think? are you dreading it? do you look forward to it? what did you think of zero issue?

[JohnMayo]

I enjoyed it. It was a solid launch for the series.

[tehkeizer]

do most people realize that hydra are not nazis?
i feel like hydra's biggest downfall (and they've done some bad stuff) is that they aligned themselves with nazi's and were lead by red skull for a really long time.

[NicksPicks]

I'm not a heavy Marvel reader, so I can't speak from in-depth knowledge of their universe. I've read Wikipedia, I've watched the movies, and I've read some Marvel comics over the last 5 years. To the average comic reader and to the larger world of Marvel movie fans, Hydra evokes an image of Nazis. Most of us became aware of Hydra in "Captain America: The First Avenger" where they were presented as a mystical R&D offshoot of the Nazi party. The perception is that they seem to have a fascination with ruling the world, German-accents, megalomaniac leaders, and oppression. So the popular media interpretation of Hydra as a group is something of a neo-fascist, totalitarian, world order founded on the ideology of former Nazis. It's basically a situation of "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..." Now, has Marvel tried to expand on what Hydra actually is over the years through retcons? Yes, but you have to be a lot more invested in decades of stories to have any nuanced view of Hydra as more than comic book Nazis.

[tehkeizer]

that is a real bummer. but i guess i understand. its hard to part ways when you were so deep with that group. and your leader for so long was part of that group.

[tehkeizer]

WOW...secret empire #1 really just jumps into it, doesnt it. after the first 4 or 5 pages i had to set it down and come back to it the next day. what a good book.

[tehkeizer]

This latest ish of secret empire....was a much much better Civil War 2 than any issue of any Civil War 2 issues.

[drew]

i think its been a fun event so far - now stick the landing

[tehkeizer]

Issue 5. i'm still enjoying it. that last page though....puts them on a tight wire.
either..
1 - they arent playing fair and its gonna be bad
2 - there is a great story to tell about how this came about and they need to tell it.
3 - there is a bad story to tell, and they tell it
4 - there is a great story to tell, and they dont tell it.

i am hoping very strongly for number 2.

[tehkeizer]

is anyone NOT enjoying this event? everyone i know who is super into comics (10+ titles in box) seems to be loving it, and peripheral comic readers seem to be hating it.

[drew]

is anyone NOT enjoying this event? everyone i know who is super into comics (10+ titles in box) seems to be loving it, and peripheral comic readers seem to be hating it.

i was surprised at the outpouring of internet hate i received after praising the latest cap and SE on twitter - the vitriol came fast and furious and then turned from aimed at me to nick spencer to marvel hate to racial slurs - and most of the non racist complaints were from folks that havent even read it but instead read a post about it somewhere or heard it from someone - crazy

[ThanosXInfinity]

I thought it was pretty cool. Not a huge Hydra fan, but I always valued the Red Skull as a villain, he really is one of the most evil villains in comic books.