ANAD Marvel already done in?

[RowdyFromScrubs]

Wow - I would say I can't believe they are doing it again but I guess as long as we all play along - the reboots will continue (yeah I'm calling them reboots)

To be fair, its not a line wide reboot affecting all titles

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I "only" count 9-11 renumbered titles out of 62(?) (also depends on how you count the avengers...), a large number are new titles (many doa?). A good number actually retain numbering (28?). (note: im tired numbers are probably off...)

I've got 30 'ish new #1's & about 30 returning.

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New #1's: Avengers, Occupy Avengers, U.S.Avengers, Ultimates, Great Lakes Avengers, The Unstoppable Wasp, Venom, Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows, Avengers #1.1, Doctor Strange: Sorcerers Supreme, Star-Lord, Slapstick, Solo, Foolkiller, Prowler, Champions, Invincible Iron Man, Infamous Iron Man, Captain Marvel, Hawkeye, Jessica Jones, The Unworthy Thor, Kingpin, Bullseye, Iron Fists, Mosaic, Death of X, Cage!, Gamora, Rocket Raccoon, Thanos,The Clone Conspiracy.

Returning:Spider-Man #12, Uncanny Avengers #14, Black Panther #7, Thunderbolts #7, Doctor Strange #12, The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #16, Patsy Walker, A.K.A. Hellcat! #11, The Totally Awesome Hulk #15, Silk #13, Deadpool & The Mercs for Money, Squadron Supreme #13, Captain America: Sam Wilson #14, Captain America: Steve Rogers #7, Silver Surfer #9, Doctor Strange #12, The Mighty Thor #15, Black Widow #7, Moon Knight #10, Punisher #7, Daredevil #15, Power Man & Iron Fist #10, The Unbelievable Gwenpool #7, Uncanny Inhumans #15, Ms. Marvel #12, Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur #13, Spider-Gwen #15, Spider-Woman #13, Spider-Man 2099 #21, & Deadpool #21

http://www.comicbookresources.com/artic ... 016-lineup

I'm hoping that Ant-Man, Mockingbird, Old Man Logan, most of X-books, & International Iron Man are just on a break, but I doubt any are coming back. Those are just the books I read. What other books do people notice/read that aren't coming back. The only new book I'm slightly interested in is Infamous Iron Man(Dr Doom as IronMan). But still why bother, if its just going to get canceled before it makes #12?

[NiklasJ]

I've got 30 'ish new #1's & about 30 returning.

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I'm hoping that Ant-Man, Mockingbird, Old Man Logan, most of X-books, & International Iron Man are just on a break, but I doubt any are coming back. Those are just the books I read. What other books do people notice/read that aren't coming back.

*ANMN=all new marvel now

Yeah Im just arguing that a new #1 without a pre-existing title isn´t something I would call a reboot. So thats some 20 "kinda-new" titles and if you want to throw around the reboot word its, imo, valid for the give or take dozen that existed prior to this #1, captainmarvel, avengers, venom, iron men and the others...

Not a spoiler but many words slightly off topic

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Unless we call Solo and Prowler reboots?
Which they technically might be now that i come to think about it. But that would need a discussion on what a reboot is... Imo it should/would entail an altered/updated original story with new meetings between characters that were familiar before the reboot... so might be very valid for some/all of the ANMN new titles but I doubt those characters getting updated is the big annoyance here?

OH noooo they are rebooting Slapstick yet again whatever will come of the comics industry???

Doesnt really matter, if a new #1 on captain marvel is a reboot to anyone who am i to protest, im perfectly fine having a differing opinion on my own, at least until i know more about the book. Though I wont argue the fact that especially CaptainMarvel has been having a ridiculous amount of #1 issues over the past 5-10(?) years... I got em all...

Reading the latest Axel-in-Charge over at CBR (warning: includes spoilers for CWII #3)
http://www.comicbookresources.com/artic ... -questions
it seems this marvel now initiative shouldnt be confused with october solicits coming next week. Titles from ANMN might be there but might also be coming later as far as we know now.

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No news on AntMan, Mockingbird, more information to come later on the Xmen titles. International Iron Man is probably being replaced with the new Doom title, think they had the same creative teams announced.

A few missing titles in the ANMN: Karnak, AN Inhumans, AgentsofSHIELD, ScarletWitch, Nighthawk, A-Force, Spidey, Spiderman/Deadpool, AmazingSpiderman, Carnage, Antman, mockingbird, OlmanLogan, Wolverine, extraordinary xmen, allnew xmen, uncanny xmen, Drax and non-marvel-superhero titles, starwars, empress...

i probably missed some, left out ones that were decidedly canceled before. Some of these might be canceled but I cant find anything officially posted...

[MisterFerro]

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No news on AntMan, Mockingbird, more information to come later on the Xmen titles. International Iron Man is probably being replaced with the new Doom title, think they had the same creative teams announced.

A few missing titles in the ANMN: Karnak, AN Inhumans, AgentsofSHIELD, ScarletWitch, Nighthawk, A-Force, Spidey, Spiderman/Deadpool, AmazingSpiderman, Carnage, Antman, mockingbird, OlmanLogan, Wolverine, extraordinary xmen, allnew xmen, uncanny xmen, Drax and non-marvel-superhero titles, starwars, empress...

i probably missed some, left out ones that were decidedly canceled before. Some of these might be canceled but I cant find anything officially posted...

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Jeff Lemire confirmed via twitter that his X books are not cancelled. All X books are apparently taking a break during the X-event; the one that takes place during the 8 months before ANAD.

[NiklasJ]

I might have gone to excessive spoiler tags here...

[RowdyFromScrubs]

I might have gone to excessive spoiler tags here...

I don't think

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so

[JohnMayo]

I might have gone to excessive spoiler tags here...

Given I'm way behind on my reading, I appreciate the spoiler tags.

[MisterFerro]

Bleedingcool has a new article up that is worth a mention.

More Marvel NOW Comics To Come – And Not Just New Titles Get An #1

David Gabriel, Marvel's Senior V.P. Sales is quoted as saying

Jumping on points are also reflected in brand new trade dress. Jumping on points for continuing titles will be labeled with bright red corner box with a #1 signifying the first part of a new story and the story arc title. Similar to what we had done a few years ago with a variety of continuing titles. Some folks loved it, some folks hated it, but it definitely sent a clear message!

BC posted the cover of Cap. America - Sam Wilson #13 as an example along with the cover of Champions #1 to compare & contrast the 2 covers.

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CAPTAIN AMERICA: SAM WILSON #14
NICK SPENCER (W) • PAUL RENAUD (A)
Cover by MARCOS MARTIN
CHAMPIONS VARIANT COVER BY MIKE DEODATO
CLASSIC VARIANT COVER BY TBA
STORY THUS FAR variant cover by PAUL RENAUD
“TAKE BACK THE SHIELD” STARTS NOW!
The world has received an ULTIMATUM: Peace in our time...or face the fury of The Flag-Smasher! Amid cries of “#TakeBacktheShield”, Sam Wilson stands against a rising tide. But he is not alone! Guest-starring in this issue – Steve Rogers: Captain America! Only, Steve has a secret…
32 PGS./Rated T …$3.99

I view this as what Marvel did with Avengers #24 (2012). I went back to the old comics podcast where John & Sam talked about that issue: start at the 9 minute mark through the 22:20 minute mark.

Here is what the cover to Avengers #24 looked like:

[bralinator]

Anyone else doubt there's going to be a BIG "#2" in the corner of Sam Wilson: Captain America #14?

Smoke and mirrors is no substitute for great storytelling.

The Falcon deserves a series of his own, not this "Cap coattail" series, but that's a whole other discussion.

[drew]

Anyone else doubt there's going to be a BIG "#2" in the corner of Sam Wilson: Captain America #14?

Smoke and mirrors is no substitute for great storytelling.

The Falcon deserves a series of his own, not this "Cap coattail" series, but that's a whole other discussion.

So many shenanigans - at what point do readers just wash their hands of the whole thing...I feel old and cranky

[fudd71]

I view this as what Marvel did with Avengers #24 (2012). I went back to the old comics podcast where John & Sam talked about that issue: start at the 9 minute mark through the 22:20 minute mark.

Here is what the cover to Avengers #24 looked like:

It is interesting that they went back to this trick. They did this on several more books (4-6??) at or around that same time. The thing is, it did not work! After they fooled a large number of people on Avengers as John & I had predicted those other "fake #1" books got almost no benefit. This strategy of "fake #1" was figured out and dismissed by the consumers almost instantly. Seemingly Marvel has already forgotten that lesson, it will be interesting to see if the consumers forgot as well. This may work on an issue or two but I will predict that again after a very small number of these they will go away again until Marvel thinks the consumer has forgotten again.

[JamesJB]

I can't believe how many people in the last week dropped their Marvel titles completely only to add Rebirth. The sub numbers for the October books are abysmal. Civil War II has lost all momentum and adding an extra issue made many customers roll their eyes and say they just don't care anymore. Marvel is REALLY dying at our store right now.

[drew]

I can't believe how many people in the last week dropped their Marvel titles completely only to add Rebirth. The sub numbers for the October books are abysmal. Civil War II has lost all momentum and adding an extra issue made many customers roll their eyes and say they just don't care anymore. Marvel is REALLY dying at our store right now.

wonder how much of that is the flavor of the week crowd with all the hype and pub behind rebirth now...as that fades and marvels hype machine winds up i would be interested to see if it shifts again

[JohnMayo]

Civil War II has lost all momentum and adding an extra issue made many customers roll their eyes and say they just don't care anymore. Marvel is REALLY dying at our store right now.

I'm still a few weeks behind on my reading. I'm around 2016-08-24. As of that point, Civil War II feels like it has been going on too long already with no end in sight. Everything is getting sucked into it and with the main miniseries taking August off, the core storyline isn't moving forward. Marvel had a good thing but didn't tell the story in a timely enough fashion.

[doctormo]

Champions #1 scheduled to come out in early October; Civil War II will not finish until December (at the earliest). I wonder if we are going to end up with a Secret Wars type situation in which some plot threads are spoiled because of Civil War II's delay?

[JohnMayo]

Champions #1 scheduled to come out in early October; Civil War II will not finish until December (at the earliest). I wonder if we are going to end up with a Secret Wars type situation in which some plot threads are spoiled because of Civil War II's delay?

I'm more curious if Champions #1 will come out with that title or if they will have to rename it like they did with The Order. I thought Marvel lost the trademark for Champions ages ago back when the role playing game came out or when comics based on the role playing game came out.