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I was just about to post this! Bummer!GABE! wrote:I didn't back the Dave Sims Cerebus Kickstarter, but I know a few here did.
High Society Negatives lost in fire.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/08/24/ ... d-by-fire/
I asked this question on the Cerebus board and was told:ctowner1 wrote:I was just about to post this! Bummer!GABE! wrote:I didn't back the Dave Sims Cerebus Kickstarter, but I know a few here did.
High Society Negatives lost in fire.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/08/24/ ... d-by-fire/
Is he still has the original art, I guess they can rescan those - right? What are "negatives" Were thoose originally made from the original art when the comic was produced?
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Wow - so that's terrible. That would mean that there's no way they can complete this project unless they track down the last 300 pages of original art! (I'm assuming the digitized files of the first 200 pages survive somewhere? Hopefully they had a backup in a location other than the apartment where the fire occurred!).The negatives are pictures taken from the original art work that are used in the production of the comic. You can see more about them here:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/189 ... sts/241603
No, Dave does not have a complete set of the original High Society art as he sold most of it during the early days of Cerebus. If anyone has original art from High Society, please look into getting a high resolution scan of it done to help out. For more info on that see:
http://thecerebusartcollection.com/index3.html
As to what this means to the kickstarter? From a comment on update #76 from Aug 13:
Creator John M. Scrudder on August 13
Sandeep here: Just finished scanning in the first 200 pages of High Society from the negatives. The negative scanner is working great and the pages look fantastic; George agrees. We're getting ALL the detail in the drawings from the negatives, more than you can see in the High Society phonebook. The final digital version will be superb quality. "It's like seeing it for the first time!"
The first 200 pages goes into issue #35.
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e304 pages to be exact. But that is an update from Aug 13, 10 days before the fire. I'm sure Sandeep probably did some more scanning during that time frame. Plus if you look at this page:
http://thecerebusartcollection.com/index2.html
And count all the green pages past #35 (assuming Sandeep was working in chronological order), which are pages they've got scans of original artwork, that is 123 pages. So 181 pages to go (out of 504 pages, not including covers and all the extras like letters pages, notes from the publisher, etc, which they've got scans of already), not to mention what Sandeep might have scanned in that time frame..
So I would say it isn't looking as bad as it could be - we just need to spread the word of getting those pages that they do need scanned and getting Sandeep some help:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/cerebus ... 128348735/
But I can't answer your questions about the kickstarter, only Dave can, and he probably will since he has been so open with the kickstarter via the updates.
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Take care,
Margaret>>
Well that certainly sounds better! Do we know that Sandeep backed up the digital files somewhere though? (like do YOU have the backups, perhaps???). Is there any chance that the digitized files were all lost in the fire as well?
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From Sandeep: "issues 26-40 were scanned and uploaded to George's server,leaving issues 41-50. Of those, Dave has about half of the original art, so we're probably looking at about 100 negatives lost that weren't scanned."
So while it is (bleep) that the negatives were lost, it sounds like a small hill to climb over rather then a mountain. . .
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Is your page from the High Society story line, Bob? I've never read or really been exposed to Cerebus, so I have no idea. But it would be cool if you were able to lend a helping hand.BobBretall wrote:It's pretty bad that they lost so much in the fire, but it could have been worse.
Since we're talking about a digital project, they could always release it with "placeholder scans" of comics instead of originals on schedule & then allow for an incremental re-download at a later date when higher res stuff for the last 100 pages become available.
This wouldn't work for a print copy, but works OK in the digital world.
No, my page is from #17. High Society ran from #26-50.GABE! wrote: Is your page from the High Society story line, Bob? I've never read or really been exposed to Cerebus, so I have no idea. But it would be cool if you were able to lend a helping hand.
Human: Oceanic is a 160 page, digest sized, Hard cover with dust jacket, Original Graphic Novel written by Phil Smith (Witchblade: Due Process, Trinity: Blood on the Sands) and illustrated by J.K. Woodward (X-Men Origins:Beast, Peter David's Fallen Angel, and Star Trek/Doctor Who).
Human: Oceanic is about humanity in the near and far future, driven to an extreme to survive by war and disease where Human rights are sacrificed for the greater good. The story focuses on a human test subject code named Bellerophon.
Human: Oceanic is the story of future where human experimentation has become accepted by the worlds nations, giving the benefit to some and damning others to a life of forced servitude and torture. Of course it does not stop there. With the doors to Human experimentation blown open the Military Industrial complex initiates a series of trials secretly called "Human: Oceanic." A research project designed to give soldiers on the front lines the ability to predict enemy actions in both hand to hand combat as well as higher level precognitive abilities at the command level. The project has an unintended side effect opening up the subject's conciousness to past and future realities as well as the path of particular lives. The conciousness splinters as the subject's mind travel's various paths into alternate pasts and futures.
I don't want to rain on Chao's parade, but the cheapest contribution to get an actual copy of his 64 page kids book is $50..... That seems excessive to me.ctowner1 wrote:Fred (Johnny Hiro) Chao's new book:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/214 ... -day-robot
Yah - I saw that, too. Although it is a HC and you do get other stuff, too. But for $5 you get a pdf of the book (plus some other stuff) - that seems a reasonable deal, at a minimum.BobBretall wrote:I don't want to rain on Chao's parade, but the cheapest contribution to get an actual copy of his 64 page kids book is $50..... That seems excessive to me.ctowner1 wrote:Fred (Johnny Hiro) Chao's new book:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/214 ... -day-robot
This is a kids book. Theoretically you'd want to read it to a kid, maybe for bedtime.ctowner1 wrote: Yah - I saw that, too. Although it is a HC and you do get other stuff, too. But for $5 you get a pdf of the book (plus some other stuff) - that seems a reasonable deal, at a minimum.
A PDF is a digital copy, it's just one of the possible formats for a digital copy.ctowner1 wrote: Question: I don't have an ipad or anything like that - but is getting a pdf of a book very different from getting a digital copy? Is it that there are extra feature you have in a digital copy (like controlling if you view it page by page or 2 pages at once, and stuff like that)? Or is there more? If he's giving you a pdf, is that essentially 90% as good as a digital copy? Or a lot worse?
Executive Summary:ctowner1 wrote:
Question: I don't have an ipad or anything like that - but is getting a pdf of a book very different from getting a digital copy? Is it that there are extra feature you have in a digital copy (like controlling if you view it page by page or 2 pages at once, and stuff like that)? Or is there more? If he's giving you a pdf, is that essentially 90% as good as a digital copy? Or a lot worse?
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