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JohnMayo wrote: I've been working on a diagram of the New 52 titles with those sorts of crossovers included in red.

Here is a link to the 571 by 5629 pixel image:
http://www.comicbookpage.com/ForumImage ... 120822.png
I think the chart is cool. The only problem I have is that I don't have a monitor big enough to see a significant portion at a time without zooming in. When I zoom in, the bubbles just have #s and it's easy to lose track of what books I'm looking at.

Would it be possible to put some kind of title abbreviation in each bubble in addition to the #?
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BobBretall wrote:Would it be possible to put some kind of title abbreviation in each bubble in addition to the #?
It would be possible but it would make the diagram even bigger.

Once I figure out how to keep things lined up correctly with the additional links for crossovers, my plan is to see if I can replace the issue numbers with thumbnails of the covers.
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JohnMayo wrote: Once I figure out how to keep things lined up correctly with the additional links for crossovers, my plan is to see if I can replace the issue numbers with thumbnails of the covers.
That would be cool!
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Read I, Vampire #12 today & really enjoyed it. I didn't know where Fialkov was going with this after what Tig did to Andrew way back around issue #6. I dropped it for a couple of issues during the JL Dark crossover, but came back after. Some really great dialogue in this issue and another totally WTF!? last page that I'm going to love seeing how Fialkov works his way out of.
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I've also posted this over on the Before Watchmen thread but I'll mention it here as well. I've played around a bit more with the diagram formatting and figured out how to include the cover thumbnail with the title and ship date beneath it. It bumps up the size of the diagram considerably. I used the Before Watchmen titles since I was doing this by hand and there were a lot fewer issues and titles to deal with:

http://www.comicbookpage.com/ForumImage ... eChart.png

It is a large image with 5904 pixels by 2585 pixels and is about 827 KB.

Let me know what you think of the format. One I automate the process, I'd like to do this for the New 52 and possibly the Marvel Now titles.

I'd also appreciate any help people would like to offer collecting data for the New 52 diagram. Specifically, I'd like to include in the diagram any/all footnote references and explicit reading order notes included in the comics. For instance, here is the data I have for "The Culling":
Teen Titans (2011) Annual #1 -> Superboy (2011) #9 [Crossover: The Culling];
Superboy (2011) #9 -> Legion Lost (2011) #9 [Crossover: The Culling];
Legion Lost (2011) #9 -> Teen Titans (2011) #9 [Crossover: The Culling];
Teen Titans (2011) #9 -> Ravagers (2012) #1 [Crossover: The Culling];
And for "The Night of the Owls":
Batman (2011) #8 -> Nightwing (2011) #8 [Crossover: Prelude to the Night of the Owls];
Nightwing (2011) #8 -> Detective Comics (2011) #9 [Crossover: Prelude to the Night of the Owls];
Detective Comics (2011) #9 -> Batwing (2011) #9 [Crossover: The Night of the Owls];
Batwing (2011) #9 -> Batman and Robin (2011) #9 [Crossover: The Night of the Owls];
Batman and Robin (2011) #9 -> Batman (2011) #9 [Crossover: The Night of the Owls];
Batman (2011) #9 -> Batgirl (2011) #9 [Crossover: The Night of the Owls];
Batgirl (2011) #9 -> Birds of Prey (2011) #9 [Crossover: The Night of the Owls];
Birds of Prey (2011) #9 -> Catwoman (2011) #9 [Crossover: The Night of the Owls];
Catwoman (2011) #9 -> Red Hood and the Outlaws (2011) #9 [Crossover: The Night of the Owls];
Red Hood and the Outlaws (2011) #9 -> Nightwing (2011) #9 [Crossover: The Night of the Owls];
Nightwing (2011) #9 -> Batman: the Dark Knight (2011) #9 [Crossover: The Night of the Owls];
Batman: the Dark Knight (2011) #9 -> All Star Western (2011) #9 [Crossover: The Night of the Owls];
All Star Western (2011) #9 -> Batman (2011) Annual #1 [Crossover: The Night of the Owls];
For footnote references, replace "Crossover: " with "Footnote: "

So far, I don't think DC is doing too many crossovers but there are a lot more in the coming months.

Any suggestions on the look of the timeline diagrams would be appreciated.
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I like the thumbnails, a definite upgrade to the original diagram. If you can automate this, it would be sweet!

Another pioneering effort for John "King of the Numbers" Mayo!
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Color me annoyed that I need to get Green Lantern Annual in order to get the last chapter of the Black Hand storyline currently running in the regular Green Lantern title. I don't consider Annuals to be sequential within the regular title and I don't want to buy the annual.

DC was able to lure me to their books when the new 52 came out but as the months pass I find that initial excitement now being replaced with aggravation.

So, not only am I not going to buy the annual, I will also stop getting GL ongoing and spend that money elsewhere, NOT at DC. At this rate I will be down to zero DC titles which is right back to where I was before the new 52.
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Gilgabob wrote:I don't consider Annuals to be sequential within the regular title and I don't want to buy the annual.
Personally, I've always considered the Annuals to be part of the series and don't mind getting them.
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Gilgabob wrote:Color me annoyed that I need to get Green Lantern Annual in order to get the last chapter of the Black Hand storyline currently running in the regular Green Lantern title. I don't consider Annuals to be sequential within the regular title and I don't want to buy the annual.
Sometimes they are & sometimes they're not.

I generally read the solicits (for content & team) and make a decision on a case-by-case basis.

On the Marvel side, I decided to skip the Annuals with an Alan Davis Clandestine story that crossed over between (I think) Fantastic Four, Daredevil, & Wolverine. This seemed to not have anything to do with the normal stories & I'm not a huge ClanDestine fan.

But the GL Annual was solicited as bringing the Black Hand stuff to closure, plus setting up the next big thing in GL PLUS having art by Ethan van Sciver. Easy choice for me to get this one.

On the other hand, even though I got Superman & Action, the solicits led me to believe I could easily skip those annuals.
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BobBretall wrote:
Gilgabob wrote:Color me annoyed that I need to get Green Lantern Annual in order to get the last chapter of the Black Hand storyline currently running in the regular Green Lantern title. I don't consider Annuals to be sequential within the regular title and I don't want to buy the annual.
Sometimes they are & sometimes they're not.
Since, I started reading comics on a regular basis in the early 80s, Annuals where they end a major storyline or presented an important story for the series, have always been the best Annuals in my mind.

My favorite annuals were:
Legion of Super-Heroes Annual 1 and 2
New Teen Titans 1- 3
Firestorm Annual 1
JLA Annual 1
All-Star Squadron Annual 2
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Generally if I really enjoy a book I'll end up either double-dipping or WFTT on them, so I never feel a major need to get the Annuals, as they're usually included in the trade eventually.
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torchsong wrote:Generally if I really enjoy a book I'll end up either double-dipping or WFTT on them, so I never feel a major need to get the Annuals, as they're usually included in the trade eventually.
I think this "Third Army" storyline in the GL books is going to be good.

It will most certainly be collected down the line.
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BobBretall wrote:
torchsong wrote:Generally if I really enjoy a book I'll end up either double-dipping or WFTT on them, so I never feel a major need to get the Annuals, as they're usually included in the trade eventually.
I think this "Third Army" storyline in the GL books is going to be good.

It will most certainly be collected down the line.
I wonder if DC would ever consider doing something similar to Blackest Night with all their crossover events. A collected "Court of Owls", "Culling" or "Third Army" setup for people who don't necessarily collect every title in one particular family.
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torchsong wrote:
BobBretall wrote:
torchsong wrote:Generally if I really enjoy a book I'll end up either double-dipping or WFTT on them, so I never feel a major need to get the Annuals, as they're usually included in the trade eventually.
I think this "Third Army" storyline in the GL books is going to be good.

It will most certainly be collected down the line.
I wonder if DC would ever consider doing something similar to Blackest Night with all their crossover events. A collected "Court of Owls", "Culling" or "Third Army" setup for people who don't necessarily collect every title in one particular family.
I'm guessing they'll do it for Court of Owls & Third Army.

Maybe for Culling, not sure how well-received that one was.
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BobBretall wrote:
torchsong wrote: I wonder if DC would ever consider doing something similar to Blackest Night with all their crossover events. A collected "Court of Owls", "Culling" or "Third Army" setup for people who don't necessarily collect every title in one particular family.
I'm guessing they'll do it for Court of Owls & Third Army.

Maybe for Culling, not sure how well-received that one was.
I didn't think there was that much set up for The Culling. What all do you guys think needs to be collected for that other than the issues that were part of the crossover itself?
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